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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] Re: ANNOUNCE: Top SURBL DNS queries and white list hits
by Chris Santerre 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Chan [mailto:jeffc@surbl.org] >Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:17 AM >To: SURBL Discuss >Subject: [SURBL-Discuss] Re: ANNOUNCE: Top SURBL DNS queries and >whitelist hits > > >On Tuesday, September 7, 2004, 6:13:19 AM, Chris Santerre wrote: >>>From: Jeff Chan [mailto:jeffc@surbl.org] > >>>We've made a list of the top SURBL DNS queries into my name server: >>> >>> http://www.surbl.org/dns-queries.counts.txt >>> >>>and a version with only whitelist hits: >>> >>> http://www.surbl.org/dns-queries.whitelist.counts.txt > >> Would it be possible to hard code a "SKIP" for certain URLs? > >> 175 yahoo.com >> 157 w3.org >> 87 msn.com >> 77 flowgo.com > >> Why have the code even bother to check those? Sort of like a >permanent hard >> coded Whitelist. (Bah, Skiplist! I have to stop calling it a >whitelist!) >> This would save traffic. > >> Just a thought. > >> --Chris > >Yes, Theo proposed exactly such a thing for SA. The top ones >should be fairly stable, and also offer the greatest reduction >in queries. *cough* great minds..... *cough* :) > >SpamCopURI comes with a local whitelist. Eric could we ask you >to grab some of these, populate that list in future versions >and make it live? The hooks are already there; we just need >to use them, and the top whitelist hits would be really useful. Does this local skiplist ;) just ignore the link, or does it look it up in the local? What I'm getting at is if there are 21 links, should these even be counted as on of the random 20? Actually I think I'm splitting hairs here. --Chris

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] Setting SpamAssassin scores for SURBL lists
by Chris Santerre 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

*snip* > >Thanks for your stats and checking, and yes please anyone else >with ham corpora, please check for FPs. > There is one SARE ninja testing guru that will come online with SURBL when 3.0 is released. I expect a LOT of testing, because he is addicted to it :) He's actually been trying to work with another ninja to test for SURBL FPs already. But the initial tests failed :( So we should have a really great tester online soon. With human errors, I think an SO ratio of 99% is pretty cool. OF course we won't even have that unless we strive for zero FPs. Its a goal. I hand check pretty much everything, but sometimes one slips by :) --Chris

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postmaster@corp.mailsecurity.net.au
by Mariano Absatz 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

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General Questions
by Joey 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

OK I needed to review a few things, and was not able to search within the list, but only page through the last few days. I installed the cpan version of surbl plug-in and am running SpamAssassin version 2.64. I copied the /root/.cpan/build/Mail-SpamAssassin-SpamCopURI-0.22/rules/spamcop_uri.cf file to the /etc/mail/spamassassin/ directory. I then restarted spamd so that it would take advantage of the new configuration. I then went to spamcop and grabbed a couple of domain names from the list and emailed them to myself from an outside source, but SpamAssassin did not tag/flag the email with any of the spamcop_uri scores or details within the email. Having said all that, now the question becomes how can I test my configuration to insure that it's working properly? Thanks, Joey

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Re: Need help checking FP list from Theo
by Alden Levy 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

>Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 20:43:10 -0700 >From: Jeff Chan <jeffc(a)surbl.org> >Subject: [SURBL-Discuss] Need help >checking FP list from Theo >To: SURBL Discuss <discuss(a)lists.surbl.org> >Message-ID: ><352641172.20040906204310(a)supranet.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Theo got us a list of 112 new false positives >from across all >SURBLs. He showed me the source >messages which are almost >all subscribed newsletters and mailing list >messages, so they >seem quite hammy. >Given the type of source messages and some >spot checking, I'm >inclined to whitelist them all, but I'd like to >ask for some help >checking them first. Can anyone help check >these? 123inkjets.com 1and1.com While these two may also spam, they sell legitimate products. 123inkjets sells ink and toner cartridges and refills, 1and1 is a web hosting firm. Gotomypc.com sells a remote access product Yale.edu is the domain for Yale University Regards, Alden Alden Levy Engine No. 9, Inc. 130 West 57th Street, Suite 12E New York, NY 10019 (212) 981-1122 (212) 725-7202 (fax) www.engineno9inc.com

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RFC: For everyone hand-checking domains
by Ryan Thompson 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

Hi All, For those of you hand-checking lists of domains (i.e., from submissions to SURBL lists, either for blocking or whitelisting): would a few of you mind running the new version (1.5) of GetURI (http://ry.ca/geturi/) on one or two of your domain lists? Just export your list of domains to a text file (one domain per line), and run geturi something like so: $ geturi --spamdomains=spamdomains.txt --age > domains.html If you also have lists of domains that appear in ham, even better! Send those to --hamdomains=hamdomains.txt, and you can guard against FPs. Alternatively, if you don't have the time to fiddle with GetURI yourself, then, for a limited time only, you can submit domain lists directly to my email address with "DOMAINS FOR GETURI" in the subject, and I'll run the report for you and post or email the output at your request. I'm curious to know if this is the kind of output you're looking for, and if there'd be anything else that would be a big help to your efforts, without decreasing accuracy. What are you currently doing to hand-check? My main goal is to reduce the effort required to *accurately* hand-check domains so we can focus on the quality of our submissions. Thanks, - Ryan -- Ryan Thompson <ryan(a)sasknow.com> SaskNow Technologies - http://www.sasknow.com 901-1st Avenue North - Saskatoon, SK - S7K 1Y4 Tel: 306-664-3600 Fax: 306-244-7037 Saskatoon Toll-Free: 877-727-5669 (877-SASKNOW) North America

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Re: SURBL problems
by Jeff Chan 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

On Monday, September 6, 2004, 5:57:32 PM, Kai Schaetzl wrote: > Jeff Chan wrote on Mon, 6 Sep 2004 16:56:57 -0700: >> Hang on, that's not a meaningful test since it would be in your >> local resolver cache. >> > First check took 22 msec to get the data from our forwarder. I noticed > that our nscd isn't running, so I restarted it, although I don't think > there should be much difference in the performance. The SA timeout in > MailScanner is 120 secs, that's quite long. Is it possible at all that > URISURBL lookups take that long and aren't killed before that? I assume all programs are subject to some kind of DNS lookup timeouts either in the application or an external resolver. RBL lookups in general should be quite fast and cached. If something is taking longer than 120 seconds it's probably broken. Given that name resolution on RBLs should normally take a few milliseconds, if they're taking more than a few seconds there could definitely be a problem somewhere. nscd is some kind of hostname caching program but I'm not familiar with it. Are things better after you restarted it? Why did it stop? Did it give any error messages? Jeff C. -- Jeff Chan mailto:jeffc@surbl.org http://www.surbl.org/

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Re: SURBL problems
by Jeff Chan 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

On Monday, September 6, 2004, 4:20:56 PM, Kai Schaetzl wrote: > I haven't debugged this yet any further since I'm on the brink to leaving > for a vacation. Is it possible that one or more of the SURBL RBLs habe > problems today? I was getting a lot of SA time-outs today and the first > reason which comes to my mind is SURBL lookups. It's the only RBL lookup > we use in SA which is run via MailScanner. If SA times out it gives it a > score of 0.00, tells me the reason (SA timeout) and handles the spam as > clean. For the last hours this happened with about every second incoming > mail (spam and ham likewise, so it's unlikely to be some sort of "bad" > spam). This setup has been running for some weeks now, MailScanner 4.32.x > plus SA3-RC2, without any problems. SA timeout for MailScanner is set to > 120 seconds. There doesn't seem to be a timeout value for SURBL checks - > is this possible? No changes to setup or software during the last days, > machine has low load. What you describe sounds perhaps like a DNS timeout (which SA3 may support through your operating system's resolver). There are currently three SURBL nameservers with problems, but they're all commented out of the authority for the subdomains, so they should not be a problem. If you do: dig test.surbl.org.multi.surbl.org a many times, do you get any delays? Is anyone else seeing problems? Jeff C. -- Jeff Chan mailto:jeffc@surbl.org http://www.surbl.org/

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Open Redirector
by Leonardo Helman 06 Sep '04

06 Sep '04

Hi, lately I'm receiving lots of spam pointing to this open redirector <http://lanzadera.ya.com/> site. This is a spanish site, something like tinyurl. They are hosting for example: www.gueb.de and www.imagenes.de So, the spam points to www.gueb.de/somewhere, and gets redirected from there. How are you people dealing with this? Is this the appropiate list to report this kind of things? Thanks Saludos -- Leonardo Helman Pert Consultores Argentina

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False Positives
by Mariano Absatz 06 Sep '04

06 Sep '04

Hi, browsing my autodetected spam folder, I came across a couple of messages from Randy Cassingham's 'This is True' newsletter (see http://thisistrue.com) that hit on SURBL lists.. Randy uses plain text advertising within is bulletin but he's not a spammer... in fact he wrote and maintains a 'spam primer' page at http://www.spamprimer.com/ The domains that hit this where: REMOVETHIS-JumboJoke.com and REMOVETHIS-BonzerSites.com (in outblaze's list) and REMOVETHIS-HealthYouDeserve.com (in Bill's list). -- Mariano Absatz - El Baby el (dot) baby (AT) gmail (dot) com el (punto) baby (ARROBA:@) gmail (punto) com

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